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Joel Hamkins asks whether there is a -formula such that is independent over , if this theory is consistent, where this construction is extensional in with respect to -provable equivalence. We show that there can be no such extensional Rosser formula of any complexity. We give a positive answer to Hamkins’ question for the case where we replace Extensionality by a weaker demand Consistent Extensionality. We also prove that we can demand the negation of to be -conservative, if we ask for the still weaker Conditional Extensionality. We show that an intensional version of the result for Conditional Extensionality cannot work.

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