For a knot in , let be the knot group of , the Ma-Qiu index (the MQ index, for short), which is the minimal number of normal generators of the commutator subgroup of , and the Nakanishi index of , which is the minimal number of generators of the Alexander module of .We generalize the notions for a pair of a group and its normal sugroup , and we denote them by and respectively.Then it is easy to see in general.We also introduce a notion ``-solvability" for a group that the intersection of all higher commutator subgroups is trivial.Our main theorem is that if is -solvable, then we have .As corollaries, for a fibered knot , we have , and we could determine the MQ indices of prime knots up to crossings completely.

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