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We characterise those Banach spaces which satisfy that is octahedral for every non-zero Banach space . They are those satisfying that, for every finite dimensional subspace , can be finitely-representable in a part of kind of -orthogonal to . We also prove that is octahedral for every if, and only if, is octahedral for every and . Finally, we find examples of Banach spaces satisfying the above conditions like spaces with octahedral norms or -preduals with the Daugavet property.

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