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The Model Hypothesis (abbreviated ) and are set-theoretic axioms introduced by J. Roitman in her work on the box product problem. Answering some questions of Roitman and Williams on these two principles, we show (1) implies the existence of -points in and is therefore not a theorem of ; (2) also fails in the side-by-side Sacks models; (3) as holds in these models, this implies is strictly stronger than ; (4) furthermore, holds in a large class of forcing extensions in which it was not previously known to hold.

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