We have measured the transition in the neutron rich isotope Si using the probes of intermediate energy Coulomb excitation and inelastic proton scattering in inverse kinematics at the Facility for Rare Isotope Beams with beam particle rates of particles/s. The results of these two measurements allowed us to determine , the ratio of the neutron and proton transition matrix elements for the transition. In addition, we have measured the transition in the isotone S using inverse kinematics inelastic proton scattering. By comparing the S proton scattering result with a recent intermediate energy Coulomb excitation result on the same transition, we were able to determine for the transition in this nucleus as well. This work strengthens the evidence that Si has a stable quadrupole deformation in its ground state and that S does not. Both conclusions are further supported by shell model calculations carried out with the FSU interaction.

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