We consider the capabilities of ALMA and the ngVLA to detect and image the[CII] 158,m line from galaxies into the cosmic `dark ages’ ($z \sim 10$ to 20). The [CII] line may prove to be a powerful tool in determining spectroscopic redshifts, and galaxy dynamics, for the first galaxies. In 40,hr, ALMA has the sensitivity to detect the integrated [CII] line emission from a moderate metallicity, active star-forming galaxy [$Z_A = 0.2,Z_{\odot}M_\odot^{-1}z = 10\sigma$. The ngVLA will detect the integrated [CII] line emission from a Milky-Way like star formation rate galaxy ($Z_{A} = 0.2,Z_{\odot}M_\odot^{-1}z = 15$ at a significance of 6. Imaging simulations show that the ngVLA can determine rotation dynamics for active star-forming galaxies at , if they exist. The [CII] detection rate in blind surveys will be slow (of order unity per 40,hr pointing.

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