This paper is on the Curtis conjecture. We show that the image of the Hurewicz homomorhism , when restricted to product of positive dimensional elements, is determined by . Localised at , this proves a geometric version of a result of Hung and Peterson for the Lannes-Zarati homomorphism. We apply this to show that, for and or any prime and any compact Lie group with Lie algebra so that , the composition where is the -fold transfer, is trivial if . Moreover, we show that for , the image of the above composition vanishes on all elements of Adams filtration at least , i.e. those elements of represented by a permanent cycle ${A_p}^{s,t}(\widetilde{H}^*\Sigma^{n\dim\mathfrak{g}}BG+^{\wedge n},/p)s>0$, map trivially under the above composition. The case of of the above observation proves and generalises a geometric variant of the weak conjecture on spherical classes due to Hung, later on verified by Hung and Nam. We also show that, for a compact Lie group , Curtis conjecture holds if we restrict to the image of the -fold transfer with . Finally, we show that the Kervaire invariant one elements with do not factorise through the -fold transfer with for or any compact Lie group as above.

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